Out of morbid curiosity: What do you think will happen when the world of GUNDAM (ALL UNIVERSES) and STARWARS went to war??? Who will win? Hehehehehehe.... bare with me on this one, I think I'm losing it today.:haha:

Hmmm ... if the Jedi could convince those guys inside the Gundams to go back home and have some tea + toast instead of coming out and fighting, the result is inevitable ^_^

"We got Death Star!"

I think we all know what would happen. There would be the usual scenes of fighting and gore. Maybe a love story involved, a Jedi(our hero/heroine) falls in love with a Gundam pilot. They hide their love while still continuing to fight the war. Meanwhile the Jedi and the Sith temporarily join forces to defeat a common enemy. There would be several scenes where Jedi and Sith are constantly stepping on one another’s toes. Our hero finds that he/she must not let his fear of his/her love dieing draw himself/herself to the dark side. In an incredible battle we see several amazing scenes. A gundam manages to take out a battalion of Clone Troopers and we see a Jedi single handedly defeat three Gundams. In the process of this fight the hero’s love is killed. The hero goes berserk and starts killing people left and right. When the battle is over both sides retreat to respective sides. The hero is now torn between the power of dark and light. Also, The Sith leader meets secretly with the Gundam leader, they form a secret plan to take down the Jedi and the Republic. The final battle occurs. There are some amazing scenes and when the Sith suddenly turn on the Jedi in the middle of the battle things really get crazy. Our hero somehow ends up into the cockpit of a Gundam and really starts kicking some arse.(Think of it, an 80 story Jedi). After some really cool scenes the Hero’s Gundam gets blown up. As he/she flies through the air. Things slow down and we see the hero’s inner turmoil. We see an image of his/her love and then a scene of a Dark version of the hero fighting a light version of the hero. The dark side looks like it’s wining. But then the Light version says something very deep and quote worthy and forces the Dark version backward. The light version then grabs the dark version and they are both enveloped in a blinding light. The hero then lands in an open area of the battlefield and is enveloped by a blinding light himself. Both sides(including the sith) stop fighting and stare at the light. When it fades the hero is standing there in brilliant robes and flowing hair. In his/her hand is a light saber; the color of the beam is silver. The hero has balanced both the light and dark in his body and is now more powerful than any Jedi or sith. He says something awe-inspiring and deeply intelligent. He goes off in a speech and at the end the leader of the sith, leader of the Jedi, leader of the republic, and the leader of the Gundams all approach the clearing and join the Hero. The Jedi leader puts his hand out and the sith leader accepts it. The gundam leader then puts his hand on theirs and everyone looks at the republic leader. He puts his hand in and is followed by the hero’s hand. Everyone cheers and claps(except for the sith who just kind of stand their and nod). And there is a big party at the end with ewoks.



I think we would all agree that is what would happen.... Now, I must go seek mental help.

Dude!!!!That's freaking awesome!! You had to put some hella thought into that one!! Holy shyte, I got chills!!!! :w00t: I love it!

Ok thats just randomly odd. I would comment on this but I'm still recovering from my trip to Chicago (for ACen) and from spending ten and a half hours building my 1/100th scale MG Nu Gundam. When I'm more alive I'll play along with this idea.

holy jumpin fuckin jesus (<in the words of Carlin) you have made a really cool story

Starwars would totaly wup gundam ass though.......but it would be a close battle.....

I was really board and had 10 minutes to kill. Anyways, I like makeing up crossover stories, though I usualy never finish or even start them.

oh well you should work on your stories more cause this ones good so you are bound to have other good storie just post em in wonderland.......

Do you guys think that Newtype powers stand a chance against Jedi Mindtricks? Does seedmode and a coordinator army stand a chance against the empire? I dunno???

I think that newtype have no chance against the jedi and the imperial or New republic army could annihalate any mobile suit force 5that stood in their way..........

Now that I'm rested I will play around with this idea.

Now, being the Gundam fan that I am, anything Gundam is gonna get owned in this little war. Why? Your dealing with a timeline (Star Wars) that is packing a better standard in technology (a Tie Fighter could knock out a Gundam with ease). In Gundam the basics of technology are still running around Nuclear Fission engines, basic beam technology, the use of gas operated weapons, and weak armor plating (Gundanium is nothing compared to Durasteel). Move into the Star Wars universe and your packing nearly perfected beam technology (come on they have beam weapons for personal use), they're running a more efficient means of powering ships, they have forcefield/shielding technology (which at the end of the UC series was still being tampered with and was not mastered yet), stronger and lighter armor (Durasteel people, some of the strongest metal in teh SW universe), and bigger and better ships. Not to mention that anyone from the Star Wars universe has been subjected to war for decades and the universes timeline has had more then its fair share of Galatic scale wars (Galactic scale wars can't even be fathomed in the Gundam universe). The experience here alone out does anything the characters from the Gundam universe have had.

Jedi's are far superior to a Newtype and a Coordinator. Newtypes, in essence, are basically psychics. They use there abilities to sense incoming attacks, where an enemy will be and where to shoot to hit the enemy, outcome of battles, to sense other newtypes, etc. Coordinators on the other hand are just humans that are genetically engineered to be smarter and stronger, they don't have the abilities of a Newtype (which, in my opinion, coordinators are no match for a newtype) nor do they have anything close to a Jedi's senses and abilities. Now Jedi are a special sort, as I'm sure many of you know throughout watching the movies and playing the games. They have the ability to manipulate things around them (be it lifting something in the air to knocking a person back with the Force). They have lightning reflexes and not to mention keen senses. They feel whats around them and doing so gives them the ability to react faster then what a newtype or coordinator can do. Plus you must note if we're talking strictly melee combat outside of a MS a Jedi can and will kill a pilot within seconds seeing as how MS pilots have little to no training in hand-to-hand combat and thus meaning death. Plus a Newtype and a Coordinator do not have the ability to block the Jedi Mind Trick seeing as how Jedi use the force to trick the mind (which there is no defense against naturally, requires intensive training that Newtypes and Coordinators do not have). However a Jedi will lose to an MS no matter how you look at it. Unless the Jedi can trick the pilot (which is doubtful seeing as how there is a tad bit of a distance problem here) a Jedi cannot stand up to the power of an MS.

As much as I find this idea to be an interesting concept your basically setting the Gundam universe to get its ass kicked in a war against the Star Wars universe.

yay I like that answer it is perfect! you rock Strider!

Wow, Strider that was awesome. Totally just sumed things up for me.

Wow Strider! You defenetly summed things up well!

As big a fan as I am of Star Wars... DOMO AND HIS SHINING FINGER WOULD PWN ALL! If not for Domo, yeah, SW would pretty much own anything Gundam.

the gundams still has an ace= THE TURN A...

Starwars would totaly wup gundam ass though.......but it would be a close battle.....

did you read what you just said?

and actualy there is a natural defence against jedi mind tricks, note that qui gon jin couldnt use his powers on anakins owner because his race of creatures werent suseptable to it, also the stronger the mind and will power the stronger your ability to oppose the "force"

but as much as it doesnt sound like it, i do believe SW would win - also jedis have electicity powers and such which they could use against a MS and they have a bunch of other tricks, afterall luke took our an ATAT lol

Outlaw only Sith have the use of Force Lightning my friend so basically only Sith have an advantage here (though a direct Force Lightning attack won't do much to a Gundam or MS, they have something called surge protection built into their systems to avoid sudden electrical problems).

As for the mind trick theres not natural defense in humans (hello thats the only race in the Gundam universe). However it is true that the stronger the mind the harder it is to trick the mind.

Luke's destruction of a ATAT was more or less dumb luck and knowing where to hit it (his jedi senses helped out alot). Hitting the powerplant on a Gundam would be much harder to hit (especially with the ones created later in the series) though the cockpit is still the most vulnerable of all.

Quatre would become a Jedi.

In fact, most Newtypes would probally be Force-Sensitive.

Gundams would be built along the SW universerse standerds, rendering the technology comperable.

Then, it would be up for grabs.


But Yoda would still pwn all. 'Nuf said.

You're talking about pitting the resources and armies of one planet against those of an entire galaxy. In the best of circumstances, it'd be like having one black ops agent at war against the rest of the world. But as Strider pointed out, it'd probably be more like a farmer with a shotgun.

one thing it is only possible to resist the mind trickes but not possible to resist a force push or any force ability that affects stuff physically...........force lightning rulz.....I love the Sith.........

Quatre would become a Jedi.


Sigh. Oh Quatre. I haven't seen Star Wars so I really can't judge. But I want to say Gundam, just because my frickin' annoying roommate won't shut up about Star Wars, and tries to make me concede to things I've already said! Like I said "Oh, Hayden is beautiful, but he can't act for crap. I tried to give him credit for his prettiness, but not even I can do that." And then she says later "But you have to admit, he's pretty handsome." HELLO!! I already did! So that makes me want Star Wars to lose. Pretty shallow argument, but hey, it's not gonna get any better.

Hahaha X'D ... girls ! *gets pelted with a lotta girlie stuff*

Girlie stuff. Yah, like a gundam!! Iew... so my friends were talking somehow about gundam wing, and I mentioned that my sister thought it was condom wing, and then this guy was like "Oh, condom wing, that'd make it a whole 'nother issue when jumping into the robots." YUCKY!

Sigh. Oh Quatre. I haven't seen Star Wars so I really can't judge. But I want to say Gundam, just because my frickin' annoying roommate won't shut up about Star Wars, and tries to make me concede to things I've already said! Like I said "Oh, Hayden is beautiful, but he can't act for crap. I tried to give him credit for his prettiness, but not even I can do that." And then she says later "But you have to admit, he's pretty handsome." HELLO!! I already did! So that makes me want Star Wars to lose. Pretty shallow argument, but hey, it's not gonna get any better.

Accually Hayden did really well in Episode 3.........just to let you know.........



Starwars pwns all gundam crap mwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

"I hate sand. It's course and gets everywhere. Not like you. You're smooth" *rubs arm* If anyone said that to me and tried to touch me I'd sock him in the face with a stupid stick for an outrageous display of stupidity.

I'd say Newtypes would have a strong enough mind to stop the mind trick and also pilots with the Zero system and the Bio computer system. Remember that the Gundams have bigger beam sabers then the Jedi's also the Double beam riffle, Double satelite cannon, The I-Field, and also they can step on some people. All in all here would be the 10 champions of both Sides.

Jedi/sith
1. Mace Windu
2. Yoda
3. Obi wan
4. Ani/vader
5. Pallpatine
6. Grievious
7. Hans solo
8. That pink alien who tryed to save Pallpatine from Grevious
9. Chewbacca
10. Douku

Gundams

1.Hero yuy
2.Amuro ray
3.char Aznable
4.Zechs Marquis
5.Domon Kashew
6.Seabook Arno (F91)
7.Garrod Ran
8.Jamil Neate
9.Trieze Kushrenata
10. Chang Wufei

My list......
Starwars
1. Vader (da best)3. Wedge
4. Han
5. Yoda
6. Obi
7. Tarkin (the ol' Grand Moff)
8. Luke
9. Chewbacca
10. Windu


agree withthe gundam heros, but highly doubt any human without Jedi abilities could stand up to the mind tricks
and as two gundams squishing the Jedi alot of them are powerful enough to take a gundam withthe force and throw the damned thing (ie Vader, Yoda, Obi, etc......)
Vader would be the best cause I mean if he couls cruch durasteel with the force he couls crush gundanium and a Jedi could always use the force to destry internal components in the gundams.....

But we ahve satelite cannons and Double buster and burning finger. We can give the Jedi what coming Plus we go the Ultimate. Self Destruct

WE ALSO GOT THE FREEDOM/JUSTICE+METEOR!!! And GENESIS!!! We also got destiny+Legend+Strike freedom+infinite justice+DESTROY!!! no matter how many TiE fighters come up against them, , they can, well, if they got imperial star destroyers + Deathstars, then we're toast. But turn-A/X Gundam CAN withstand the Deathstar Shot, and Moonlight butterfly(turn-a's attack) is enough to be fair against 3 deathstars...

@kuwabara: the TBR of wingzero can be blocked by the deathstar shield EVEN GFAS-X1 Destroy's beam shield/ ZGMF X20A Strike-freedom/ ZGMF X42S Destiny BEAM SHIELDS. But I don't think they stand a chance against the Imperial star destroyer... Turn-A can probably own them all... MOONLIGHT BUTTERFLY!!!

keep cool...:D

Kuwa you need to remember, Star Wars has a technological advantage here. Did you take the time to read my post. Star Wars has shielding technology and the Satelite Cannon and Buster Rifle are basically underpowered weapons compared to what the ships in Star Wars put up with in combat. Those two weapons are gonna be nothing more then annoyances compared to the other weapons. Burning Finger (aka. God Finger) is nothing more then a joke and would hardly do anything to a Star Wars ship. You gotta remember Gundams are for MS to MS or MS to Ship combat. It'd be a waste to use them on Jedi/Sith (though they would be effective against them, and those attacks you mentioned are a little overkill).

As for heroes I doubt any Gundam Pilot would be alive long enough to become one (even if they are newtypes). Once pitted against some of the pilots in Star Wars I doubt even my personal favorite Gundam Pilot would last more then three minutes and that goes for fighting a Jedi also.

As I said its almost useless to debate this. The Gundam universe is outclassed in everything when it comes to placing them up against the Star Wars universe. I loved Az's expression above and it is true, its basically like giving a farmer a shotgun and telling him to run off and win a war (not gonna happen).

EDIT: Did not notice somone posted before me. Moonlight Butterfly is not that great of an attack. I admit by what I've read and heard about it it is an ultimate attack but I highly doubt it has the power to destroy a Deathstar (and seeing as how I'm not that far to see it in Turn-A yet I can't exactly give a proper opinion here).

Also nothing in SEED could possibly stand up to Star Wars tech nor could it be effective in battle against it. The PS armor would be wasted within one to two shots of a capital ships blast, most of the tech is basically regular Gundam tech so it falls within the confines of me saying it won't stand up against SW tech, etc.

Also nothing can withstand a direct blast from the Deathstars main laser. I'm sorry, nothing ever has and nothing ever will. The laser is just to powerful. On a Gundam it would be like using a hot knife to cut thru butter, the poor Gundam would be utterly vaporized.

Again I say it almost pointless to debate this.

Oh i Thought were were talking Gundam Against the Jedi. i didn't know the Jedi would be using there Machines as well in that case The Jedi win because of the Death Star.

It would indeed be quite an interesting site. True you have the Jedi but depending on what time period during the Star Wars saga, the Jedi really might not make that much a difference. It is obvious that the Star Wars "Army" would have more resources and of course man power, but the Gundam pilots and the mobile suits are are of a iher calibur. I highly doubt that an A-fighter could possibly take on Gundam Zero and win. It's just to funny to even imagine.

You'd be surprised what an A-Wing can do. As I said you have to also remember SW ships have shielding technology, Gundams don't. One concussion missile and you can say goodbye to a Gundam, even a Gundam from GW.

You'd be surprised what an A-Wing can do. As I said you have to also remember SW ships have shielding technology, Gundams don't. One concussion missile and you can say goodbye to a Gundam, even a Gundam from GW.

O_o You really think so? I remember that the Concussion Missles didn't even damage the AT-AT Walkers(Dura-steel, I'm told...) and from what I do understand, Dura-Steel is about the Star Wars equivalent of Gundanium. So I wouldn't think that the CM's would have a good chance against a GW Gundam. Against many of the other Gundams, I'm not sure, because I've not had a good chance to really watch the other series'. I missed them when they were on CN. G-Gundam(which I have seen) their MS's would be toast. No doubt in my mind on that.
I just don't think that they'd do too well against a GW Gundam...

Dura-steel in my opinion is alot stronger then Gundanium (Gundanium is just a titanium composite, don't remember what mixed with it to make Gundanium). Concussion missiles are quite weak yes, but if they don't destroy the Gundam its gonna be pretty much damaged beyond belief.

Also AT-AT walkers are armor plated with thick platings. The armor on a Gundam is not that thick, in fact its actually quite thin. However my expertise falls in UC Gundam not AC/GW Gundam so I could be wrong on the thickness of armor.

Gotta remember if a Concussion Missile doesn't do it a torpedo will definately knock out a Gundam, aswell as an Ion Bomb (don't remember if thats what they're called). However, like I said, your comparing the damage a CM would due to an AT-AT (which I said has really thick armor plating) to a Gundam (which is packing thin armor plating). What a CM doesn't do to a AT-AT it will most definately do to a Gundam (like destroy it).

Okay, I get it then. Thanks of the explaination! This is just one of those things that shows me how much I need to invest in the Gundam series'...-_-;

No problem, like Ai from Nadesico I always love to give detailed explanations (hehe). I would also add this just shows how much I really need to get a life and not devout my time to Gundam knowledge and Star Wars knowledge (though my SW knowledge is severely lacking compared to my Gundam knowledge).

Starwars has the tech advantage as well as the combat experience that gundam doesn't as Strider has mentioned before plus any force weilder is just too freakin cool........Vader rulz all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From the way i saw ep3, RotS

Darth Vader's force can take out Gundams.

i suddenly remember size comparisons between Gundams' initial ships and Star Wars' Initial ships.... I mean a super star destroyer is as big as a planet.

but, there might be wildcards in play, s/a the GENESIS (SEED) or the devil Gundam (G). Isn't devil gundam a "Virus"?

No the Devil Gundam's attacks are basically based off nano-bots (much like Turn-A's Moonlight Butteryfly). I highly doubt that the SW systems have anything to worry about. The Devil Gundam would have to be allowed the chance to launch its nano-bots but given that most SW weapons can destroy a Gundam in one hit it would have a very slim chance of doing so. As for Genesis, I can't comment. I'm not a SEED fan and my knowledge is severely lacking in SEED tech but I highly doubt anything SEED has can do well against the SW universe.

Alright I'll agree with that. GW Gundams do have a high maneuverability though. Now I haven't really taken the time to consider this but how is the maneuverabilty on most of the fighters and cruisers of Star Wars. I'll admit I'm not that good with cross-series comparisons. Strider, have you seen Gundam Seed? Taking technology from that, all mobile suits could have shielding capabilities. Granted, the shields would be much less powerful than the Artemis fortress (I think it's Artemis...) and in that specific show, they claimed that the shield was impenetrable. Of course they never did prove the claim.

I've seen bits and pieces of SEED (as I said I'm not a fan, horribly done in my opinion) and sadly PS armor can't be classified as shielding and due to the restraints it puts on the power supplies of the Gundams it wouldn't be at all possible for a Gundam to last long in combat (though I hear they remedied this later in the series I still don't think it that great of a thing, two or three direct hits from a turbo laser is still gonna knock a Gundam out). That and, as I've said so many countless times before, the suits in SEED are just overpowered mechs made to plz the masses that loved GW and it tried (and succeeded to a success) at getting some old school Gundam fans to go over, watch it, and eventually like it (which I guess they can, I know I can't bring myself to like it). Other then the PS armor however I know of no actual shielding tech from the series (and if there is said shielding tech it light years away from being close to SW shielding tech).

As for SW ship maneuverability it depends what we're talking about. The fighters in SW have ungodly maneuverability, some of the crap a Tie Intercepter and an A-Wing can pull off is seriously unfathomable (the maneuverability of the fighters is superior to that of the Gundams, I'm sorry not even the Zeta Gundam (which has some ungodly maneuverability) could pull off some of the stuff they can). As for star ships they aren't as maneuverable but they have turbo lasers just about everywhere so a Gundam will be destroyed eventually when fighting one.

To bring back me watching SEED. I may not watch it but I am increasing my knowledge tech wise thru reading various mech specs (I'm a mecha freak, this is one of the most important things to me when looking at Gundam info) and various weapon specs. Though, as I said, my tech knowledge is severly limited to what I've seen (from watching various eps) and thru my less then stellar reading of the tech at the moment. Like I said, however, anything SEED has is gonna fail in comparison to what SW has tech wise.

I really need to get a life

yes indeed....lol

but really even without using star destroyers and such, the jedi could easily crush key components to gundams, and possibly destroy the generator and do a big jedi shield around himself so that hes not hurt by the explosion -

also what genious was it who did put luke skywalker on his list of best jedi? the guy didnt even finish his formal jedi training and still took out darth vader...so yah

Darth Vader is soft

yes indeed....lol

but really even without using star destroyers and such, the jedi could easily crush key components to gundams, and possibly destroy the generator and do a big jedi shield around himself so that hes not hurt by the explosion -

also what genious was it who did put luke skywalker on his list of best jedi? the guy didnt even finish his formal jedi training and still took out darth vader...so yah

Oh yes thats all I need you to agree with me X'D

Did Luke even get any Jedi training. About the only training I saw was what he received from Yoda and that wasn't even the full training to become a Jedi (takes years to master the Jedi arts).

You're kidding me Kuwa, Vader soft? Heh yeah right. If he's soft then whats that make Luke, a hard killing machine with no emotions. If you turn those two around then maybe I could believe you.

Vader did have emotions Strider. How else would he turn on his master to save his son? Parental duty? He obviously cared about his son enough to sacrifice himself for him.

Yes I know this but that didn't make him soft. Remember he was one of the most feared people before he ever met his son, showing no emotion and killing those who pissed him off. Gotta remember he didn't show any weakness until he met Luke and his weakness didn't get the better of him till Return of the Jedi so Vader is no softy.

True, and I never said he was a softy. What I did say is that he had emotions. My example with Luke was simply an example. Anger is also an emotion and he most certainly had plenty of that. Remember, in anger is weakness. If someone can make you angry, that is a weakness. If you do get angry don't show that anger.

Ah I was still playing off of Kuwa there when I mentioned soft (he mentioned it). Anger, true it is a weakness, but can also be used as a strength. In Vader's case it was both his biggest weakness and his biggest strength, it led to his eventual rise to power and to his eventual downfall (though the love for his son was added into that).

Tell me, why was it that when Luke cut off his hand, he started to wheeze and die? He was worse off then than he was when he got hit with the Sith's lightning.

Technically Vader had been dieing over the years since he was given his implants. He was basically like Grievous there toward the end, he was still mostly human and age doesn't do the human body any good. Use of the dark side drains the user of his/her life force and since Vader used his force powers more often then not it was draining him. When him and Luke fought he was basically on his death bed. Gotta remember Vader wasn't the spring chicken that he was when he first fell to the dark side, he was much older though be it stronger then he was when he was younger (force wise that is).

I still stand and say he is soft. He Never really beat a Jedi Master did he? He picked on the weaklings around him and who rebeled? Could he defeat Yoda? Windu? no. And Obi-Wan had his number in their fights Obi only lost the rematch due to Technicalities (beam saber).

No, but he did beat a Jedi Master turned Sith - Count Dooku.

Obi-Wan could have beat him. Look at it this way he was supposed to be great and he lost to Luke,Obi-Wan. Even as an Old Man Mater Kenobi was superior to him right...

Well you gotta think this way Kuwa, yes Obi-Wan was superior to him due to the fact he was trained longer in the Jedi Arts and is a recognized Jedi Knight and Master. In all technicality Anakin/Vader is still Obi-Wan's padawan, even if he recognizes the Emporer as his Master.

But it is true that Anakin did best a Jedi Master gone Sith Lord so you can't say the man is weak or soft (though for some reason it tore him up inside after he killed Dooku).

But he gets to much way to much credit for doing "shnit". Luke was not even a Padawan and luke beat him.

Well as I said the dark side weakens a Sith. It in no way strengthens them. Continual use of the Dark Side drains ones life force so even a Padawan could have killed Anakin. It also helped that Luke was the son of the "Chosen One" so he was a little more powerful then most people are when they first learn the arts.

However, Luke can be considered a Padawan. Though he wasn't formally named one he can be considered Obi-Wan's padawan due to the training he recieved (even if it was a miniscule amount of training).

Luke is accually Yoda's padawan because he recived more training from Yoda also Yoda had told Luke that only when he confronts Vader will his training be complete so in essence when Luke met with Vader on the 2nd Death Star and triumphed over the dark side then he became a Jedi Knight and since there are no more Masters to make Luke a Master he then became a self proclaimed Jedi Master.......

Bah I knew I screwed that up somewhere. Yes yes Luke is Yoda's padawan. *shrinks in a corner*

So why is he pegged this so called badass rep?

Well you gotta think this way Kuwa, yes Obi-Wan was superior to him due to the fact he was trained longer in the Jedi Arts and is a recognized Jedi Knight and Master. In all technicality Anakin/Vader is still Obi-Wan's padawan, even if he recognizes the Emporer as his Master.

But it is true that Anakin did best a Jedi Master gone Sith Lord so you can't say the man is weak or soft (though for some reason it tore him up inside after he killed Dooku).

It tore him up inside because killing an unarmed man (no pun intended) was against the Jedi honor code. It was wrong to kill Dooku.

Yes yes I know that but still, he was already falling to the dark side and it shouldn't have effected him that much. I mean he did slaughter *taken out for spoiler purposes* and it didn't phase him one bit.

Shinn=Anakin in some aspects...

To bring back me watching SEED. I may not watch it but I am increasing my knowledge tech wise thru reading various mech specs (I'm a mecha freak, this is one of the most important things to me when looking at Gundam info) and various weapon specs. Though, as I said, my tech knowledge is severly limited to what I've seen (from watching various eps) and thru my less then stellar reading of the tech at the moment. Like I said, however, anything SEED has is gonna fail in comparison to what SW has tech wise.

I agree w/ the CE universe losing, it's just that I disagree w/ the "will do nothing" bit... it will do minimal, yes. GENESIS is a pretty strong tool.

Try watching SEED Destiny... they've advanced their techs...

Keep cool^^

Yes yes I know that but still, he was already falling to the dark side and it shouldn't have effected him that much. I mean he did slaughter *taken out for spoiler purposes* and it didn't phase him one bit.

He was falling to the dark side, but he commited the act of slaughter out of raw emotional rage. It wasn't like that with the killing of Dooku.

After Much of My Deliberation i've to to the Conclusion the the Gundam universe can beat the Starwars Universe in a Mecha/Ship battles. Gundams are not the Only thing Produced by them they also have Space Fortresses such as Barge and others.

I see the Jedis as a strong advantage...

Your right the Jedi are a strong advantage. But I'm speaking Technological war. Remember ep.3 How the jedi were killed. That could happen as well.

Kuwa I refer you to my second post in this topic. That explains why Star Wars would win this war. THEY have the tech advantage over the Gundam Universe.

So Strider, you think the outcome would be any different if they used mech's like in 'Struggle in Cold Darkness'? Those were pretty intense.

I can't say. Seeing as how most of the tech from SICD is created by us it's hard to actually put an opinion on it that would be fair. Anyone in the RPG would say SICD suits and weaponry would have the advantage.

I can say without a doubt that with Hyper-Matter and Phase Transition Weapons the Gundam universe would beat the shit out of the SW universe.

Kuwa I refer you to my second post in this topic. That explains why Star Wars would win this war. THEY have the tech advantage over the Gundam Universe.
supporting this idea, I got one question:
Does Gundam have Lightspeed?

Gundam hasn't even left the Sol System so no Gundam does not have Lightspeed or even Hyperspeed at that.

Only something that can go to the speed of sound, (e.g. Tallgeese, Freedom, S-freedom, Justice, I Justice, Destiny, Providence, Legend and the ZEROTYPEd MS)

Sadly my friend any MS can break the speed of sound, not that hard. Most suits wrack in over 1 G in speed. Hell most fighter planes in this day and age can break the speed of sound. Not that spectacular.

They may not have Light Speed or Hyper Speed but they do have the Weaponry. The Guns and fire power most suits have are Pwnage. Such as the Double Satellite cannon. Defensive shields like the I-Field and attacks like Moonlight Butterfly which could shut off all power to the SW ships. Dark Gundam from G gundam have the DG cells to repair any suit after sustaining Damage. Not to MEtion the Phase Shift armor that Seed has.

Okay Kuwa go learn your SW tech plz. Nothing and I mean nothing the Gundam Universe has would do anything to a Star Wars ship. I'm sorry not possible. Come back to me when you learn your SW and Gundam tech then maybe this discussion can continue.

I'll go look SW tech but i know my Gundam.

SW tech pawns all gundam crap tech yes I said it mwahahahahahahahaha. I is bigger SW fan than Gundam fan..........VADER rules all.........


Its all in weaponry and defensive stuff the gundam universe still uses bullets and crap while SW has pimp lasers and stuff and SW has badass shield tech that is nearly perfected while gundam are barly into any kind of energy shiel tech and SW has the sun crusher.....in one attack made by the Sun Crusher the gundam peoples sun would go all super nova and those gundam ass holes would all die all thanks to quantam armor and nova bombs and this is all made possible by the late Grand Moff Tarkin may he rest in peace..........


Sun Crusher owns all!!!!!!!!!!!

SunCrusher


http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Special/Suncrusher.jpgThe SunCrusher was a small six-man ship capable of destroying stars. It was developed by Qwi Xux, a member of Admiral Daala's scientific research team at the Maw Research Facility. It was a remarkable piece of technology; the Sun Crusher was a cone-shaped vessel which flew with its "point" downwards (as perceived by the pilot). A dish-shaped resonance projector was attached to its point, and at its very top was a 360-degree rotating laser cannon. A number of other laser cannons were arrayed slightly lower on the vessel, and the pilot's cockpit windows were just below the top cannon. The ship incorporated two important technical innovations: quantum crystalline armour, and the resonance torpedo (ref. SWEGVV).

The quantum crystalline armour allowed the Sun Crusher to shrug off turbolaser blasts from Star Destroyers and it even allowed it to survive the blast wave of a supernova. Its resonance torpedoes travelled at near-lightspeed and were capable of triggering a chain reaction that would detonate a star (even a low-mass star which would not normally go nova). Although it normally carried up to 6 crewers, it could be effectively controlled by as little as one man (ref. SWEGWT).

The SunCrusher was lost twice. It was cast into the depths of the Yavin gas giant after it was stolen from the Maw Research Facility by Durron and his cohorts, and after Durron went berserk he retrieved it from the depths of Yavin by using the Force. He then went on a homicidal rampage, destroying the entire stellar cluster at the heart of the Cauldron Nebula as well as the Carida system. He eventually flew the Sun Crusher into one of the black holes in the Maw, and it was lost forever (ref. SWE). In spite of its strengths, the SunCrusher ultimately proved to be a failure and a poor idea. Because it could be controlled by a single person, it had the potential to give a single deranged individual enough power to destroy several star systems (as happened with Kyp Durron). This creates a serious imbalance; the individual piloting the SunCrusher is simply given too much power for any individual (save the Emperor) to handle safely. Because of this, there are no plans to initiate any research programs to develop the SunCrusher technology again.

Hm. You know your SW tech don't you Monkey-man?

yes yes I do and I love my SW tech and the Suncrusher is da best but I also like the world devestatores as well though.........



World Devastators

The World Devastators (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Special/Devastators.jpg) are unique superweapons which were first used by one of Emperor Palpatine clones shortly following the death of Grand Admiral Thrawn. Unlike the Death Star, World Devastators don't destroy planets; they consume them. Incredibly powerful tractor beams disintegrate planetary matter and draw it into huge elemental furnaces. In these furnaces, the planetary matter is broken down into its base elements and fed to the World Devastator's vast internal droid-controlled production facilities. These facilities could create hordes of "TIE/d" droid-piloted TIE fighters, starships, and even Star Destroyers and other World Devastators (ref. SWEGVV).

A World Devastator's internal factories also perform a secondary function; they augment and upgrade the World Devastator itself. As a result, World Devastators are not static; they grow as they consume planets, asteroids, and starships. Each World Devastator's computer core has a unique identity and creates these customized additions and alterations based on its own decisions. The result is that no two "mature" World Devastators are identical, and given enough time a World Devastator could potentially become large enough to dwarf even the largest starships (ref. SWEGVV).

The Silencer-7 was the largest World Devastator at 3,200m long and 1500m tall. It had a crew of 25,000 and it was heavily armed with 125 heavy turbolaser cannons, 200 blaster cannons, 80 proton torpedo tubes, 15 ion cannons, and 15 tractor-beam projectors. During the Battle of Calamari, it demonstrated the ability to consume heavily armed starships as well as planetary matter when it consumed the captured Rebel Star Destroyer Emancipator (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Special/Emancipator.jpg). However, it was destroyed along with the other World Devastators when the Rebels used a stolen control code to disable the massive war machines (ref. Dark Empire) In conclusion, the World Devastators were a highly effective weapon because they combined industrial weapons-production facilities with planetary destruction capabilities. Emperor Palpatine discarded them in favour of the Galaxy Gun in Dark Empire 2, but their dual-role functionality makes them highly appropriate for an invasion force into Federation territory where we have neither mining facilities, shipyards, or existing recruitment programs. In such an environment, World Devastators can rapidly build vast droid-controlled fleets by consuming the Federation's worlds. This will allow us to build overpoweringly large fleets in Federation territory at minimal cost and effort to ourselves or our local shipbuilding programs.

though I do love my.........


Light Sabres The light sabre is the signature melee weapon of a Jedi Knight. It projects a vibrant blade of pure energy from its base, and this blade can cut through virtually any substance without significant resistance. Light sabres also incorporate some aspects of force fields; when light sabres clash, they block one another although a beam composed of pure energy would normally be expected to pass harmlessly through another such beam. They can also block blaster bolts (ref. ANH, TESB, ROTJ, SWVD, SWEGWT).

but still with the suncrusher all gundam opposition can be taken out with one swift strike

also the Federation couldn't take on the empire and they have far better tech than gundam as well
Summary

Starfleet Command has been made aware of the existence of a distant galaxy which is connected to our own via a wormhole. A variety of intelligence sources indicate that this galaxy is under the control of a centralized, totalitarian government. Moreover, we have learned that this government is aware of our existence and general capabilities. We project a greater than 95% probability that this government will exhibit expansionist behaviour in the near future, and that they intend to use the Federation as their foothold in the Milky Way galaxy. Moreover, we have determined that our resources are insufficient to match this foreign government in a military confrontation.

General Capabilities

This recently discovered extra-galactic imperial government (from here on referred to simply as "the Empire") is a fairly recent development in an ancient civilization of remarkable scope, spanning at least twelve million inhabited star systems1 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote1sym) and 20 million intelligent species2 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote2sym), using at least 6 million different forms of communication3 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote3sym) (in contrast, the Borg are highly prolific by our standards but they have only a few thousand star systems, and they have encountered roughly ten thousand species as opposed to 20 million). Fortunately, intelligence operatives within both Starfleet Command and Section 31 have obtained a great deal of information on its capabilities and history.

The Empire apparently overthrew a democratic Republic several decades ago, coinciding with a period of galactic upheaval known as the Clone Wars. Before this, their civilization had existed in a fairly stable state for at least 25,0004 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote4sym) years, and much of the galaxy was already inhabited before that period, thus suggesting heavy space travel and colonization dating back much further. During that time, their space travel capabilities have matured to the point that interstellar travel or even cross-galactic travel can actually be undertaken within periods of mere days or weeks by private citizens of moderate means5 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote5sym), using personal spacecraft! Given the fact that our best scientists have been unable to solve the difficulties of transwarp and quantum slipstream propulsion (which would take months rather than days6 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote6sym)) despite decades of effort7 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote7sym), and that every experiment with such technology has ended in failure and in some cases, serious damage8 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote8sym), it is difficult to fathom the level of technological advancement necessary for such technologies to be so common and reliable that they are within the means of ordinary citizens. It is somewhat curious that they have never developed transporter technology despite their advanced age and technological maturity in other areas, but there may have been religious objections involved (Species 8472 never developed transporter technology either, despite its technological capabilities).

In addition to their advanced space travel capabilities, the Empire has demonstrated vast industrial capabilities. In a few short decades, the Empire has successfully constructed numerous functional starships exceeding 17 kilometres in length9 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote9sym), and one spherical starship (known as "the Death Star") of approximately 160 kilometres diameter, whose weaponry was capable of completely destroying an M-class planet and scattering its mass10 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote10sym). Its starfleet is vast, with tens of thousands of heavily armed mile-long warships, hundreds of thousands of smaller capital vessels, and millions of fighters11 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote11sym). It has constructed several "worldships," in which wholly artificial planets have been constructed with captive stellar light sources and hyperdrive capabilities12 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote12sym), and it took less than six months for them to construct more than three quarters of a second Death Star which was even larger and more powerful than the first (some estimates range as high as 900 kilometres diameter)13 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote13sym). Even more startlingly, it had somehow kept the location of the construction site a secret despite the vast raw material requirements, by using a logistical train based upon the transport vessels of a single private shipping corporation, known as Black Sun14 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote14sym). It is staggering to imagine that the raw materials necessary to construct such a large vessel could be moved by a single private shipping company, or that such vast amounts of raw material could be moved in secret. Taken together, these engineering feats represent hundreds of millions of times the industrial output of the Federation throughout its entire history.

Before the Empire, the Republic had constructed a space station (known as "Centrepoint Station") approximately 350 kilometres in length, and which was equipped with a graviton generator so powerful that it could move planets from one star system to another, and compress the cores of stars many light years away, thus accelerating the rate of nuclear fusion and inducing a supernova15 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote15sym). The Republic had also completed the remarkable feat of constructing a communications network allowing real-time communication from any point in its galaxy to any other point in its galaxy16 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote16sym). Moreover, there are "factory worlds" in which the entire planetary surface is covered by automated manufacturing facilities, with such a high level of sophistication that the entire planet can be run by a few dozen human administrators17 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote17sym). All of this has been facilitated by the development of sentient android technology, which has apparently been continuously refined over many tens of thousands of years until the point that sentient androids are so inexpensive and common that they can be easily purchased for a variety of tasks by ordinary citizens such as farmers (sentient androids date back at least as far as the reign of an ancient pre-Republic despot named Xim). And finally, the capital world of Coruscant is a "city world", in which the entire surface of the planet is covered with cityscape and whose population (numbering in the tens or perhaps hundreds of trillions) are supplied by a constant stream of off-world supplies carried by many tens of thousands of starships, entering and leaving its star system daily18 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote18sym).

Given its size, capabilities, and maturity, we have assessed the Empire (and the Republic before it) to be an index 95 culture on the Weibrand logarithmic developmental scale19 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote19sym), where 1 equals any pre-warp civilization and 100 equals the so-called "unaffected races" such as the Cytherians, the T'Kon, and the Q (the Federation is rated at index 23). Further refinement of this initial assessment may be possible if and when we obtain more detailed information. In fact, there is already some debate as to whether the Empire should be placed in the "unaffected races" category, given that it handily exceeds the capabilities of the T'Kon in many areas20 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote20sym) (this naturally revives the longstanding criticism that there should be some differentiation between the various index 100 "unaffected races", since some are clearly more powerful than others).

The significance of the developmental differences between the Federation and the Empire cannot be overstated. It will simply not be possible for Starfleet to defeat the full weight of an Imperial attack in straightforward military operations, so we must explore other options.

Astro-Political Background

As with all civilizations, in order to understand its present, we must first understand its past. For at least 25,000 years, the pre-existing Republic was governed by a democratically elected Senate, composed of more than a thousand senators who each represented their own region of the galaxy. These regions were all subordinate to a centralized federal government, located on a planet named Coruscant. This federal government was led by a "Supreme Chancellor", who was elected by the Senate.21 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote21sym) This is a fascinating aspect of their governmental system; by making the Supreme Chancellorship position the choice of the Senate rather than the general population, the Republic placed a great deal of power in the hands of the Senate, with little or no checks and balances on that power.

Such a system of government will tend to generate significant corruption and regionalism, as individual Senators vie for increased funding to their respective regional governments. In practice, it would probably lead to a weakening of the federal government over time, since the most powerful and influential senators will inevitably object to the use of federal taxation as a wealth redistribution mechanism. Without checks on their power, it is likely that they would succeed in either diverting the bulk of federal spending to their respective regional interests, or (more likely) reducing federal taxation to marginal levels, thus increasing the autonomy and authority of regional governments. This would lead to progressive decentralization of power and exaggeration of regional socio-economic disparities, and we have discovered evidence to that effect: private corporations were permitted to maintain armies and fleets of warships22 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote22sym), and certain regional governments had amassed such resources that they were able to field large fleets and armies of their own23 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote23sym).

A federal government presiding over such a heavily decentralized civilization will have difficulty maintaining control without effective and economical enforcement mechanisms. Fleets of warships are expensive to build, operate, and maintain, and given the fact that regional governments and private corporations were able to field significant military forces of their own, federal military forces could conceivably be insufficient to maintain control alone. This is where the "Jedi Knights" entered the equation. They were a religious organization whose beliefs were startlingly similar to an ancient Earth religion known as "Taoism". They believed that the universe is permeated with a mystical energy (called "the Force") which is generated by all life forms, and that there are two forms of this energy: the dark side and the light side, in perpetual balance (see the concept of Yin and Yang in historical texts regarding Taoism). However, while Taoism is now regarded as a foolish superstition in the Federation (much like Judeo-Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and other ancient Earth religions), Force-related phenomena appear to be verifiable and repeatable.

Intelligence sources indicate that the Jedi Knights were able to use the Force in order to telekinetically manipulate objects as large as spacecraft24 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote24sym), gain very precise short-term and somewhat sketchy long-term precognition of the future25 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote25sym), and also to telepathically scan and/or influence sentient beings26 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote26sym). It is evident that they were used by the federal government as enforcers, in both overt and covert operations. They were exceptionally lethal warriors, and could only be defeated through overwhelming firepower. Section 31 has theorized that they were used as a form of "secret police" by the federal government, in order to maintain discipline through terror. While they were not numerous or powerful enough to conduct large scale military operations, they were highly effective at infiltration and assassination and they carried a fearsome reputation27 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote27sym), thus making them the ideal instrument of control over wayward regional leaders. Their telepathic scan and influence capabilities also made them ideal for early detection of anti-governmental plots, as well as spy recruitment and covert participation in diplomatic negotiations.

It is clear from the preceding data that although the Republic was a highly corrupt, decentralized government, it was stabilized by the Jedi Knights. It was therefore inevitable that when their order was destroyed, the Republic would collapse. At this point, our intelligence data becomes somewhat sketchy; it is known that the Jedi Knights were mostly exterminated around the time of a destructive conflict known as the "Clone Wars", and it is suspected that internal strife and civilian unrest were used as an excuse for a massive militarization program which restored central authority and civilian confidence (there are certain historical parallels to the rise of Adolf Hitler in 1930s Germany). Over time, this central authority became a totalitarian regime, and Supreme Chancellor Palpatine gave himself the title of Emperor. Within a few short decades, the Empire had achieved nearly total control of the galaxy, including myriad "outer rim" systems which had previously been independent, and it had constructed a military organization of staggering size and scope, only to be felled by that most common failing of empires: the lack of a clear line of succession. Just as the empire of Alexander the Great rose almost overnight but fell to internecine conflict and centrifugal tendencies after his death, and the Roman Empire consumed itself in civil war after the death of Emperor Commodus, so too did Palpatine's Empire collapse after his death.

Current Astro-Political Climate

The current political climate has recently stabilized under a new totalitarian regime. A New Republic was formed after a series of destructive civil wars which followed Palpatine's death, but with only one Jedi Knight and a handful of semi-trained acolytes, it rapidly fell prey to the same corruption, regional disputes, and centrifugal tendencies that brought down the Old Republic. When the New Republic was threatened by new external and internal threats, it was almost inevitable that the government would return to a more centralized, authoritarian model28 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote28sym).

Our intelligence data is extremely sketchy at this point, but it would appear that this authoritarian government eventually became a new Empire, and that it swiftly and ruthlessly dealt with the aforementioned threats. However, it has been said that "an empire founded by war must maintain itself by war"29 (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/StratEval-1.html#sdfootnote29sym), and while it is indeed possible for an authoritarian empire to remain stable for decades or even centuries (eg- the Roman empire, or the Chinese dynasties), this task is made much simpler if its leaders can use an external threat to distract the population from internal problems. This should come as no surprise to Federation societal planners, since the maintenance of our own collectivist ideology and high level of militarization has always been facilitated by the existence of external threats, most notably the "cold wars" with the Klingon and Romulan Empires, not to mention armed conflicts with the Cardassians and more recently, the Borg and the Dominion.

Unfortunately, it would appear that we are being used as that external threat. Therefore, since Imperial aggression seems to be a domestic political imperative, we see little or no chance for a peaceful resolution through diplomatic negotiation.

Hmmm. My Brother(Savior) is thinking of the impossible. He thinks Gundam could match up with Star Wars. The Only Thing that can match SW tech is ST Tech... That's what I Think... but I don't want to start a grand war between Jedi(s) and Trekkies

I suppose SW would probably win but with Garrod Ran and the command of 10,000 Gundam X's on his side it would be a nice battle. :drool:

Add Kira and Amuro w/Strike Freedom and Nu-Gundam in there... Funnel/Dragoon Ownage

The Tech of starwars cause mass Pwnage but i think that they are weak in defense. Cause look how easy X wings took out the DeathStar.

OOH what if all the Powerful Gundams shot there Powerful weapons at once? Mass Pwnage I'm talking Double Satellite Double Buster And all the ohter goodies that we have. And the Moonlight butterfly attack destroyed all tech on earth.

^^ Don't 4get:

Freedom's Turrets
Strike-Freedom's Callidus conjoining beam rifles
Buster's Cannons
GENESIS
Blast Impulse's Plasma cannon
Lohengrin
Tannhauser
Launcher Strike's Plasma cannon
LIBRA
Mega-cannon

Look If There is an Army of Amuros and Kiras then maybe, maybe... Gundam Will Win..
With all the Fin Funnels/DRAGOONS around...

The Tech of starwars cause mass Pwnage but i think that they are weak in defense. Cause look how easy X wings took out the DeathStar.

OOH what if all the Powerful Gundams shot there Powerful weapons at once? Mass Pwnage I'm talking Double Satellite Double Buster And all the ohter goodies that we have. And the Moonlight butterfly attack destroyed all tech on earth.

Ok Kuwa go back to your tech research plz. SW is not lacking in defense. As I've said before they have shielding technology, which remember prevents attacks from hitting them. Next we have a little thing called Durasteel, one of the strongest metal alloys found in the SW universe, the thing starships are made of. This couples with SW weapons tech and the Gundam universe is already defeated.

Double Satelite Cannon couldn't even puncture the shields of a Star Destroyer/Calamari Cruiser. Double Buster pales in comparison to the Satelite Cannon/Double Satelite so its gonna do even less then what the Satelite cannon would do. Moonlight Butterfly is an attack based on nano-machines, something easily defended againt in the SW universe.

You see Kuwa Gundam stands no chance.

Now don't even get me started an comparing SEED tech to SW tech. You know I'll find loopholes in SEED tech and nothing SEED has will do much to a starship.

Also I don't know where you get it in your head that funnels will do anything to a starship/fighter. For one this the funnels are just weapons, something easily destroyed by starfighters, hell a Y-Wing could probably hold its own against funnels and win without taking major damage. Funnels are not the end all or greatest tech in Gundam UC, in fact they are some of the weakest weapons in the show.

Plz people dig deeper into the SW tech before spouting things off about Gundam winning. Are Monkey and I the only ones here who know our SW and Gundam tech? Cause if we are this topic needs to be revamped into dream corner.

Oh yes and on a side note I agree with goku, that would be a hell of a battle. Heck, Gundam might win with that force.

Remember that not all pilots of the Rebel army are Jedi, Kira and Amuro have extreme spatial awareness. And funnels are Driven by the PsychoFrame, and Funnels are controlled by the mind of the pilots. That's why I'm Arguing that an army of Amuro and Kira Clones could take a starfighter. As for the main Ships, I think The USS Enterprise-E is capable of Defeating SW Tech.

Another Thing is, While you have to understand That ZAFT/Zeon or Anaheim Will copy their technology. Of course, they have technology issues, but it's not like you're going to stick with your knife if it's dull...

It doesn't matter if they're hyper-aware of whats around them. Pilots in SW are more aware of whats there then a Gundam pilot would be. Does years of Galactic War not mean anything to you? They're experienced space pilots, Gundam pilots aren't. They're experienced with fighting in space on a galactic level, Gundam pilots aren't. SW is based on Galactic Scale Wars and putting Gundam here basically kills off any chance they have.

Also Gundam is not gonna be able to adapt SW tech to theirs. Not gonna happen and if they did it's gonna be extremely hard for them to make it work.

Hands down Gundam is gonna get its ass handed to itself by SW. Now I do agree ST vs. SW is about an even match and would make for a more interesting battle.

It doesn't matter if they're hyper-aware of whats around them. Pilots in SW are more aware of whats there then a Gundam pilot would be. Does years of Galactic War not mean anything to you? They're experienced space pilots, Gundam pilots aren't. They're experienced with fighting in space on a galactic level, Gundam pilots aren't. SW is based on Galactic Scale Wars and putting Gundam here basically kills off any chance they have.

Also Gundam is not gonna be able to adapt SW tech to theirs. Not gonna happen and if they did it's gonna be extremely hard for them to make it work.

Hands down Gundam is gonna get its ass handed to itself by SW. Now I do agree ST vs. SW is about an even match and would make for a more interesting battle.

Yes Gw would lose so badly it wouldn't even be funny........but now SW vs ST Sw still holds the technological and militaristic advantage. Considering the Federation would most likely lose Romulan and Klingon support as well as the Empire being more expansive and having greater recources then the federation as well as more sophisticated sheilding and Laser weaponry as well as more high tech hyperdrive seeing as how in SW it take mear hours to g across the Galaxy while in ST it takes weeks so the Empire would have the advantage of quicker troop placement and would be able to aquire reiforcments faster while fighting Gundam of ST, But over all ST would make a better challange and would possibly be able to withstande an attack by the empire especially if they had the support of the Dominion, Romulans and the Klingons............as well as possibly the Borg but even so SW tech is better than Borg tech also and the borg have some pretty crazy stuff.

so all in all GW would probly fall in the first battle with the empire while ST would beable to prolong the war and possible win though their chances of victory would be slim.

Look If There is an Army of Amuros and Kiras then maybe, maybe... Gundam Will Win..
With all the Fin Funnels/DRAGOONS around...

Mmmm you could have an army with just one amuro and Kiras. Like I posted before all you would need is the System that was used in Gundam X. All the mobile suits where linked to one pilots mind/control. So basically you could see 10,000 Gundam X's Line up and use the satellite cannon on there enemies.

Goku, there is still the fact that the SW fighters have much higher maneuverability, their shields pwn GW and I'm not so sure what GW weaponry could even penetrate their shields. The Earth forces or any other forces from GW would not have enough resources or time to build that many Mobile Suits. Add that to the fact that their aren't that many skilled Mobile Sit pilots out there either. SW would win.

Westonian... GW tech is a lot different from CE/Or UC/AW Technology. But I think.... The Mobile Fighters are Super Robots, So it's safe to say that they may have a chance (Master Asia was able to defeat a MS with his Bare Hands)

:haha: Oh my god Clow. You did not just say the Mobile Fighters have a chance. Thats to damn funny. Those machines are weaker then the UC Gundams and alot weaker then the other AU Gundam series Gundams. They would be ther first suits destroyed in this battle. With no long range weaponry (or lack their of) they wouldn't stand a chance.

Besides Clow, That wasn't the best series of the Gundam 'legacy'. I thought it more of a joke. Of course, SD Gundam was pretty bad too.

Yes it's a joke but, I thought that G-Gundam were Super Robots

Technically all of the gundam mechs are super robots. They just go by different names. No matter how you look at it though, they are simply slow and not very agile compared to SW fighters.

Just face all you Gundam fans SW wold own all Gundam competition for supremecy Sw has better tech, better soldiers, better people and they just plain kick ass..........and more experience in combat and can adapt more easily to diffirent enemies after all in SW there are millions of different races.........so in other words those gundam people might as well just not even fight and bow down to there new emperer............or in the future the New Republic and the new Jedi order as well.

Monkey, they just won't listen to the obvious facts. It's kinda sad really. If only we could somehow set up a simulator showing just how badly Gundam would lose. Maybe that would make more of an impact.

Keep dreaming West. Not even that will sway these guys. They're stuck in there fanism for their fav series to see, as you said, the obvious.

they are blind fools who will never see truth

This Thread has already caused some confusion...
Please close this...

Anyways, my final opinion is:
Gundam is Gundam and SW is SW, We can't change the fact that they both have different physics, even Gundam Timelines have different Physics.
We cannot remove the chaos that this fantasy war that my brother has started. With respect to us Gundam Fans Here, I know it's hard but I think the Gundams can do it, but with respect because I'm also a SW fan, I see a hard fought battle that the Republic would win, Reasons, since a needle is hard to find in a Dessert, What more if you would be tracking few in a Galaxy. the MS Pilots could steal. and later use the data designing new Mobile Suits, and You've seem to forget that there is something SEED and Wing does have, and it's also in every anime, Nothing is Impossible to anime. You forgot that.

Hmmm did we forget that? No we didn't. Nothing is impossible for SW either. Gundam stands no chance, it's as simple as that. I've been watching mech anime and Gundam for about 5-6 years now and I think I would have a good idea of how Gundam would stand against Star Wars.

Stealing tech from SW will not help Gundam. We're talking hundreds of years of tech advancement from Gundam to SW. Gundam could not adapt or learn the technology quick enough to help them turn the war. Frankly the first battle would be the deciding factor. Seeing as how SW would most likely win this battle we would know the victor of the war, SW. Easy as that.

And why would you want to close an interesting topic like this. Monkey and Myself are enjoying the chance to let out our SW knowledge and I myself am having a good time trying to show you guys the truth. As I've said it's your fanism for the Gundam series thats keeping you from seeing the facts. I, being a huge Gundam fan and a self-proclaimed expert, see these facts thats why I side with SW. Now let us continue the discussion at hand.

Yes lets continue we will convert these Gundam loving ninis!

Yeah gundam would lose the first battle and become like terrorists or something. ANd it is a proven fact that the Empire has the recources to own all Gudam crap

after all
LAst I checked Gundam don't have weapons that could destroy a planet or entire system for that matter or destroy planets ships and people while making other weapons and upgrade its self at the same time and this the World Devastators can do mwahahahahahahahahahaha

They Have, The GENESIS in Gundam SEED could Destroy a whole Planetary Ecosystem.
Theoretically, an Army of GX's can too.

Goku, there is still the fact that the SW fighters have much higher maneuverability, their shields pwn GW and I'm not so sure what GW weaponry could even penetrate their shields. The Earth forces or any other forces from GW would not have enough resources or time to build that many Mobile Suits. Add that to the fact that their aren't that many skilled Mobile Sit pilots out there either. SW would win.

I had this big thing typed up but the forums screwed up and I lost it all :(. But in a nutshell I was not saying Gundam would win. Im not taking sides Im just saying what if some how, out of the blue, all gundam pilots where in the same time zone. They each had 10,000 gundams to command using the X system. Jedi would have to be close or make eye contact with the true object to kill them all. The Pilot of the gundams would not even have to be near the battle.

But Like alot of said SW tech is alot better then Gundam tech But it would still be a cool battle to see.

But the jedi are the least of the gundam peoples worries what they really need to focus on is the power of the old republic, the power of the Empire, and the power of the New Republic/Rebels

plus you got to take into acount the badass weaponry that the imperial scientists come up with

But the jedi are the least of the gundam peoples worries what they really need to focus on is the power of the old republic, the power of the Empire, and the power of the New Republic/Rebels

plus you got to take into acount the badass weaponry that the imperial scientists come up with

Outch my head, sounds like Gundam Wing all over again. -_-;

did you just compare Star Wars to GW!? huh did you!? cuase if you did start running now!!!!!!!!!!

Outch my head, sounds like Gundam Wing all over again. -_-;

Doesn't it though?

Did the Star Wars finally come out on top? Is this debate over? Does anyone else want to say something stupid? Or can I start this debate by killing all the people who even think Gundam would win?

OK, I think this has gone on long enough.