ok, the first one is close enough to closing, so ill put up the next one

Gundam Wing-----\
Gundam Seed------\
G-Gundam----------\
Mobile Suit Gundam--\ Gundam Wing
The 08th MS Team--/
Gundam 0080------/
Gundam 0083-----/


Heero Yuy-------------\
Duo Maxwell------------\
Trowa Barton------------\ ????????
Chang Wufei-------------/
Quatre Raberba Winner--/

mines heero

Crap, people really need to see more Gundam series if Gundam Wing won out the last poll. *is very disappointed on the lack of taste in members here*

Out of those pilots I'll go with Trowa. Gotta love the man with the mysterious past.

Gundam Wing *shudder*

I like Wufei out of those, probably because he usually teases his oppenents for being weak, and because of the Nataku Gundam

duo is the man with the gundam hand

Sorry Strider but Wing Rules

So does Heero.

Zechs. Although he isnt on the poll.

I know the are missing Zechs and treize.

i only put the gundam pilots in becouse they are the only ones that stck with one MS, the others switch off between a couple

1. Zechs is a gundam pilot

2. All the Gundam pilots switched suits (Well, except Trowa)

No, Trowa switched... Mercurius/Vayaete... it's been way too long, I can't remember which one he had...

1. Zechs is a gundam pilot

he did? r u talking about the prototype, tallgease?


No, Trowa switched... Mercurius/Vayaete... it's been way too long, I can't remember which one he had...


oh yea, i forgot about Mercurius and Vayaete, its been way to long since ive seen the show

Zechs piloted the Epyon, which is a gundam hence the reason as to why he is considered a Gundam pilot.

oh thats right, the Epyon was made from gundaium aswell, forgot about that, lol, but didnt treize pilot Epyon?

It was never said whether he did or not (I don't exactly remember, been two years since I last saw GW). As far as I know only Heero and Zechs piloted the Epyon (as I said though its been two years so I don't know if it was said if he did or not) and were the only ones to successfully pilot it due to their past run-ins with the Zero System.

i thought treize piloted it to, but i could be wrong, i think he invented it though

didnt Quatre use the zero system to?

Quatre did not master it.

And isn't the Tallgeese 2 made of Gundanium?

WHAT?! Quatre freaking OWNED the zero system like a cat on a hot tin roof! Albeit on his first exposure he almost killed everyone... still. Second time around he was totally in control. If memory serves me correctly, Heero took 6 attempts before he was able to use the ZERO system without losing control.

Tallgeese II is still made of the same alloy the first one was, if I'm not mistaken. Still though it wouldn't be considered a Gundam if it was made of Gundanium (not in my opinion anyways).

Also Quatre wasn't in complete control the second time. Hell he didn't even want to use it the second time thru (he only did since Heero made him). Though I will say this, he did have more control over it then Heero ever did thru his second time using it.

He didn't want to use it, but he did successfully and destroyed that stupid little slut Dorothy!! Quatre lost confidence in his ability to control his actions and feared the result because the last time was almost fatal. But when he realized he had to take that risk in order to protect and save not only his friends and team, but the universe at large, his confidence was restored-- well, not necessarily confidence but the overwhelming need to protect overpowered any inhibitions. Which is why Quatre is the best. :D

*bows before Kiki* What was I thinking of debating with the one person who knows Quatre better then anyone here (its true and we all know it). Now that you say that you are right, Quatre did have complete control over it. Like I said, been two years since I last saw GW so my memory on it is a little foggy as well as bogged down with Gundam knowledge that I find more important then GW knowledge.

Oh yes I was right, Tallgeese II is made of Titanium alloy like the first incarnation (check MAHQ if you do not believe me). Only fitting seeing as how to get the speeds Tallgeese and Tallgeese II were able to achieve you would need an extremely light alloy frame, which Gundanium is not a light alloy.

Maybe for clarification's sake we should say that this poll is about favorite G-boy? Because if piloting a mobile suit made out of gundanium is the only qualifying factor for being a gundam pilot, then heck, Lady Une is one too. She piloted gundam 01 and took that shot in front of Treize, but I don't think any of us consider her a gundam pilot.

You're right about the lady Une.

But Quatre on the other hand handled the Zero System Because of his need of it. think about the Zero system works best when you've lost all Hope. Like in Zechs in heero's cases. They both lost reason to live and the will to fight until they experienced the Zero system at the end.

They hadn't lost hope really. They had no direction. Neither one knew who or what to fight for. What the ZERO system does is narrow your focus down into enemies and allies. If you're unclear who your enemies are, that's when things go wrong. ZERO is an AI system, though not one like a 'talking computer' or something. It does have intelligence of it's own, and if the pilot is not aware of this and knows how to use it, it can control the pilot. But if the pilot has the willpower and knows about the system, he can control it, not the other way around. Quatre went nuts because he didn't know about it. Heero and Zechs were kinda the same way. The difference between them is that Heero and Zechs used ZERO constantly until they learned to control it. Quatre used it twice. He mastered it on the second time. He stopped using it because he realized he didn't need it anymore. Which says a lot about Quatre right there. He's a natural leader, and in a lot of ways, he takes charge of some of the battles they fight. Well, Heero doesn't really fight with the rest of them, but he's willing to listen to Quatre at least, and he trusts him. That's why he installed ZERO in Sandrock after all. Quatre was the only one he trusted to be able to use it correctly.

I forgot it was installed in sandrock. That gives Quatre a new rank in my book he has very good pilot abilities if he can master Zero. maybe the others could too if they try to.

I think if the other boys were constantly exposed to the zero system (qua Heero and Zechs) they'd eventually be able to master it. But, circumstances would also have to be fitting. As Dubie said, Heero and Zechs were both lost, not knowing who their enemies or allies were. And I think that they were the ones who lost the most with the war. The other boys, albeit soldiers at a very young age (especially Trowa), didn't really have as much invested into being a soldier and fighting as Heero and Zechs. Therefore, when their sole identity was stripped from them, it obviously would take something so galvanizing as the ZERO system to break them back to society, in the sense that a wandering soldier fighting an unknown enemy breaks away from civilization because he has no purpose and therefore must somehow relearn to live with other people. Trowa just seems so hopeless, but because of his job at the circus and relationship with Catherine, he is somehow closer to humanity than Heero or Zechs, and even himself as a young boy called No Name. The ZERO system could serve as a catalyst to completely reunite him with people and personal relationships, but it could also sever him completely from companionship. Wufei (INJUSTICE) doesn't really feel all that lost because he has always had his ideals of justice and integrity. Therefore when the clear cut ideas of Colonies = Good and Earth = Bad are destroyed, he still has a purpose and enemy to fight: anyone who stops justice. Duo, the not so grim reaper, never really cut himself off from mankind, and had always been able to deal with other people in a social manner. The ZERO system would be superfluous for him and just make him go crazy. I already gave my piece on Quatre and Dubie did an amazing job herself, so I'll take this time to attack Dorothy. Oooooh I so don't like her and her malicious eyebrows. She's an interesting character, even if I hate her. It seems that she would be much better suited as a soldier instead of sitting in Relena's stupid little pacifist school talking about war and direction. But for some reason she never made it to a battlefield. This restraint and suppression of her innate desire to fight, defend, and protect consumed her almost completely and the ZERO system very easily lent itself to the fulfillment of her insatiable yearnings. As Dubie said, the ZERO system focuses the pilot on an enemy that must be destroyed. Dorothy, although she may know who her allies/enemies are, was never able to do anything about it: focus solely on them. Maybe her family or social status or something forced Dor to put aside ideas of war and soldiers, and despite the extent to which she wanted them, she could never give way to her intentions. The ZERO system destroyed any inhibitions and Dorothy succumbed to the madness of her own desires. She was finally presented with everything she wanted for so long but could never have, and surrendered completely to the opportunity ahead of her. So now we can say that it's not really her fault and that there's always someone else to blame for Dorothy's insanity at the end, BUT it's time people take responsibility for their actions. Sure, Dor couldn't gradually have what she wanted and somehow remain human but no one made her dive into her aspirations like that. And it took the amazing-self-sacrificing Quatre to shock Dorothy back to reality. Don't be fooled. Quatre LET Dor stab him. See, she had only been using the mobile dolls, she never really dirtied her own hands with blood. Only when she could actually feel the taking of life could she understand the stupidity of her ways. Quatre knew this and and had so much empathy for mankind that he gave himself up to redeem her. Isn't he just amazing? *sigh*

Wow, that's probally the longest post I've ever seen from Kiki. o.@

Anyways, Wufei doesn't really have the ideal of 'justice'. The reason he says that is that's his way of honoring his wife. She believed in justice and righting wrongs and so on, and he never really felt that strongly about it. However, she died defending her beliefs, making him realize she was a lot stonger than he thought she was. He starts the series as fairly lost. He's trying to honor her memory by taking on her ideals, but it doesn't mean very much to him and he I don't think he understands why she felt so strongly about it. He is trying to do what's right, even if he's not sure what that is at first. Later on, when he uses ZERO, he knows who the enemey is. That's not his problem. What ZERO shows him is that he can't defeat the enemy alone.

Okay Kiki thanks for clearing that up.
Now Dubird about Wofei what happened to him in Endlesswaltz. I mean why was he on marymia side anyways. I understand not knowing his way but i thought he figured it out at the end of the series. If you really look at the situation it's like Wofei doesn't know what he is doing. I mean i know he felt an empty gap when trieze killed his self but he should have taken his revenge on Marymia side. But he inturn went to try to help her achieve trieze's "Dream." He is a confusing character so Dubird try to clear that up for me.

OK, first of all, please, for the love of Goddess, spell the names right. It's Wufei and Mariemeia. The rest I can ignore, but that grates on me for some reason.

Anyways, Wufei didn't ever really figure out his path at the end of the series. In fact, I think he fully expected to die and hadn't thought about it much. You gotta remember, he's basicly a scholar. That's what he wanted to be and so his mind is trained to think deeply about stuff. One of those things is what place does a soldier have in a battle-free world? He's left with a lot of questions that he can't answer, and I think that's one of the main reasons he joins Mariemeia's army. There's a dounjinshi called Battlefield of Pacifists, which is the 'offical' story of what happens between the series and the movie. It has a bit of the answer, though Blind Target expands on that a bit. Also, listen to him talking to Heero during their final fight. That's basicly his entire reason right there. He never found his way during the series, and this is his way of finding out who and what is right and what he should do next.

I just watch the episode 11 when he met Sally. He has some really power problems. He would Have never went to this wiered stage if Treize never defeated him. That was his main problem and i think yhe fact that Treize died of Purpose and wufei did not get the chance to kill him is the reason. The reason Why he was still feeling Incomplete in Endless Waltz. The only real Remedy for him would have to be the Zero System. Even that would leave the void left by Treize half full he needs a real Challange Like Zechs or Heero to challange his power quest.

Gundam Ace. Polls. 500,000 people. Etc.
Top 30 Male Characters (http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/gachararankapr.jpg):
1) Char Aznable - MSG/The Origin
2) Athrun Zala - SEED DESTINY
3) Kira Yamato - SEED DESTINY
4) Amuro Ray - MSG/The Origin
5) Kamille Bidan - Zeta Gundam
6) Quattro Bageena - Zeta Gundam
7) Heero Yuy - Wing
8) Anavel Gato - 0083
9) Shiro Amada - 08th MS Team
10) Ramba Ral - MSG/The Origin
11) Yzak Joule - SEED DESTINY
12) Shinn Asuka - SEED DESTINY
13) Judau Ashta - Gundam ZZ
14) Domon Kasshu - G Gundam
15) Rey Za Burrel - SEED DESTINY
16) Mu La Flaga - SEED
17) Garrod Ran - Gundam X
18) Bright Noa - MSG/The Origin
19) Duo Maxwell - Wing
20) Dearka Elthman - SEED DESTINY
21) Miguel Aiman - SEED
22) Norris Packard - 08th MS Team
23) Auel Neider - SEED DESTINY
24) Bernard Wiseman - 0080
25) Shani Andras - SEED
26) Gai Murakumo - SEED DESTINY Astray
27) Kou Uraki - 0083
28) Jerid Messa - Zeta Gundam
29) Paptimus Scirocco - Zeta Gundam
30) Yazan Gable - Zeta Gundam

Top 30 Female Characters (http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/gachararankapr.jpg):
1) Lacus Clyne - SEED DESTINY
2) Sayla Mass - MSG/The Origin
3) Haman Karn - Zeta Gundam/Portrait Of A Young Comet
4) Cagalli Yula Athha - SEED DESTINY
5) Stellar Loussier - SEED DESTINY
6) Lunamaria Hawke - SEED DESTINY
7) Four Murasame - Zeta Gundam
8) Emma Sheen - Zeta Gundam
9) Aina Sahalin - 08th MS Team
10) Elpeo Ple - Gundam ZZ
11) Murrue Ramias - SEED DESTINY
12) Matilda Ajan - MSG/The Origin
13) Tiffa Adill - Gundam X
14) Asuna Elmarit - Ecole du Ciel
15) Roux Louka - Gundam ZZ
16) Cima Garahau - 0083
17) Meer Campbell - SEED DESTINY
18) Mouar Pharaoh - Zeta Gundam
19) Flay Allster - SEED
20) Sara Zabiarov - Zeta Gundam
21) Christina Mackenzie - 0080
22) Dianna Soriel - Turn A
23) Meyrin Hawke - SEED DESTINY
24) Relena Peacecraft - Wing
25) Miriallia Haw - SEED DESTINY
26) Lilia Flaubert - Space, To The End Of A Flash...
27) Lalah Sune - MSG
28) Natarle Badgiruel - SEED
29) Kycilia Zabi - MSG/The Origin
30) Allenby Beardsley - G Gundam

Top 30 MS (http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/gamsrankapr.jpg):
1) Freedom Gundam - SEED DESTINY
2) Zeta Gundam - Zeta Gundam
3) Saviour Gundam - SEED DESTINY
4) Nu Gundam - CCA
5) Hyaku Shiki - Zeta Gundam
6) Wing Gundam Zero - Wing: Endless Waltz
7) Sazabi - CCA
8) Zaku II - MSG/The Origin
9) Justice Gundam - SEED
10) Gundam - MSG/The Origin
11) Gundam Mk-II - Zeta Gundam
12) Qubeley - Zeta Gundam
13) Gaia Gundam - SEED DESTINY
14) Strike Gundam - SEED
15) Strike Rouge - SEED
16) Dom - MSG/The Origin
17) Gouf - MSG/The Origin
18) Gouf Custom - 08th MS Team
19) Gundam F91 - Gundam F91
20) Gelgoog - MSG
21) Kämpfer - 0080
22) Char Custom Zaku - MSG/The Origin
23) Aegis Gundam - SEED
24) ZZ Gundam - Gundam ZZ
25) Acguy - MSG/The Origin
26) Forbidden Gundam - SEED
27) V2 Assault Buster Gundam - V Gundam
28) Char Custom Gelgoog - MSG
29) Z'gok - MSG/The Origin
30) Gundam Double X - Gundam X

Breakdown of how each series fared based on the above results:
MSG/The Origin - 17
08th MS Team - 4
0080 - 3
0083 - 3
Zeta - 14
ZZ - 4
CCA - 2
F91 - 1
V - 1
G - 2
Wing - 4
X - 3
Turn A - 1
SEED - 10
SEED DESTINY - 18
SEED DESTINY Astray - 1
Ecole du Ciel - 1
Space, To The End Of A Flash... - 1

They also mention in a sidebar that Cucuruz Doan ranked #55. =) ¶ 7:33 AM (http://aeug.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_ aeug_archive.html#110926373872356847)

The CLow Trigger Is Here.......................

Something Begs to Disagree with you:
Destiny
http://s03.2log.net/home/gunota/destinyplamo.jpg
and Freedom
http://gundamwingzero.altervista.org/wallpapers/freedom-wallpaper.jpg

So if I were You, You Sould Really Stop Bashing SEED.............
Kira And Shinn Will Hunt You Down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Kwabara................
And Naruto Is Better Than Yuyu Hakusho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

Why is Gundam Wing being neglected in that list? I don't even see tallgeese.

because it's 10 years old now................ and
check this out..........
http://aeug.blogspot.com

I didn't read your post correctly. How dare you contracdict Gundam wing With Gundam seed there is no comparason. I personally think your list was made by a bunch of Idiots I see Seed is the top 5 in all characters and In ace pilots Zechs is not there yet Duo is there what the hell is that? It also has Kira and Athrin in front of Amuro thats a load!!:x

I wont say a lot about the females of the Category but two things. Noin and Une. They are both superb pilots (especially Noin.) Yet they are nto on the quack list of yours.

The Mobile suit list is even more quack than the rest. I believe that quack list of yours was mostly contributed by seed suckerZ. they seem to be Gundam Novices Not one Tallgeese model is there the epyon is not there also. Yet every Seed Ms seems to be there i shant say anymore of this list before i get really ticked off and turn this to a flame.



YU YU Hakusho will whup Naruto Yusuke will kill Naruto without lifting a finger.

That's From Gunota Headlines, The Leading Source of Gundam Information..... in Japan and International And the poll is from Gundam ACE....
It Shows How Popular Each Series is..............
That is based from the survey of 500,000 people.............
This Just proves how you neglect time...........
You must move on because not every day is Gundam Wing Day.....
The Same Goes for seed, and as for the female characters....
Lacus is the most talked about anime character in japan........ how could she lose.... And there are just too many girls that beat wing girls......... for example, christina from 0080, Haman Karn of Z-Gundam, Salya Mass, etc....
And SEED Destiny Girls.... Stellar, Cagalli, and Lunamaria....
Wing is Already redundant to many UC fans... The only reason they're doubting The CE Timeline.... Is becuase they're worried about ripp-offs.... but so far.... Destiny hasn't done that.... The polls i've shown you are factual.... no edits..............
I supposedly gave you the link:
I'm Going to give it again...........
http://aeug.blogspot.com
just look for the archives from Feb1-Feb28
It even was Updated Yesterday..........

please don't be blinded by your fanboyism.....

Seriously you two need to act your ages here. Your starting something that can lead to both of you being banned. Kuwabara you should know better then this. Our little argument should of taught you to see other peoples opinions and accept them. Don't try and force your love of GW down Clow's throat. Same goes for you Clow, its your opinion don't shove it down ours.

Your both civilized human beings (atleast I hope). If you want to go at it do it over PMs since your heading down the road to flaming, which if you have read the rules you would know is a bad thing. You're letting your fanboyism for your favorites impare you ability to take someone's opinion for what it is, an opinion.

I know for a fact that Clow's info is true since I happen to know the people who keep the Gunota blog up-to-date and it is one of the leading places for all Gundam Information, both domestic and International. So everything he says is true Kuwabara, as much as you don't want to believe it.

Now plz either take this to pms or debate this in a civil matter. Arguing in two different topics like this isn't exactly a good way of getting your point across nor is it good for your rep on this board.

okay....... but I'm not saying that i'm bashing Gundam Wing........ I am sopposedly defending Seed.... Because I wanted everyone to know that.... SEED is good.... and without bashing other series........... And it makes me ill why people need to bash... I'm Just Presenting information..... that we share and disscuss in other forums... And yes, It may have been way weird for me because the message board I went to were mostly sharing of opinions and not 100% complaining... I stand for what is true and what is up to date. And mostly, Gundam Forums I've Attended never had this dillemna with Gundam SEED... So far

I see what your getting at Clow. Sadly here most people are stuck on loving only GW so your not gonna find much support for SEED here. I, myself, am an old school Gundam fan. My love for Gundam will only stay toward the UC series timeline and Turn-A since I am a huge fan of Tomino-sama's works. I can see SEED's potential but sadly to me all it is is a pretty faced anime with no substance (don't get me wrong its good but its nothing compared to the original MSG).

Sadly here most gundam discussion is done, as I said, on GW and GW only. There are only a handful of people here who prefer the other series to GW (BlitzZ, aqu, goku, and myself to name a few). We are about the only ones who take the time to broaden our gundam horizons (not saying anything about you GW fan, you have your thing we have ours).

I have a feeling that I'll be looking at some pretty well thought out posts on Gundam from you in the future, which is something this Gundam board needs.

Bravo, Bravo!!! Strider you see that Gundam Wings Greatness clouds us fans from appreciating other series. But i on the other hand don't only love wing I love victory as well. Another thing wing did not have that the others did was the Newtype/Coordinator power. The pilots of Wing are true soldiers which don't rely on special abilities just theier skill. They also rely on the cockpit system (Zero) thats it. We all know the Wing boys were great pilots and their suits were great.